Tell me You – Ecuador (1) is the fifth article of the series ” Tell Me You “.

We interviewed an americano-dutch couple, Susan and Walter we have met during our volunteering in Ecuador, close to Vilcabamba (to read the article about our volunteering, it’s this way). We spent two weeks with them to work on their land, to learn, to exchange and to discover each others!

Susan, Walter and Goldie

The interview was realised on April 5th, 2018, 11 days after our arrival. We decided to interview the couple at the same time to have them sharing their spontaneous answers.

  • What’s your firstname ?

Walter: I’m Walter.

Susan: I’m Susan.


  • How old are you?

I’m 76 and pride of every year!



  • At what moment do we become old?

Whenever they want to or not want to.

It’s all in the mind.

Susan and Walter


  • What is your job? How long do you practise per day?

Well I’m retired now. But I was a dairy farmer my whole life. So I worked 12 to 14 hours a day. And now I like to get up at 5h30 and enjoy life. Because I do not distinguish work and enjoyment anymore.

I have spent my life helping people to find their destiny path. What they are truly alive. It’s not to be a worker or a nurse. It’s about to be someone special. I believe that we agree to it before we were born, because I had an experiment that told me that. My mission is to transform money to be based on love instead of fear and greed and I had a wonderful life because it’s my mission.


  • How does one of your typical days take place?

Right now, like I said, I like to get up at 5:30 and make cup of coffee. I like to meditate and when sun rises, at 6:15 we do a little meditation, called agnihotra, it’s from ayurvedic times, so 5000 years old. And then I meditate more and then we have breakfast at 8. If we have a lot of volunteers on the farm, I work on the morning from 9 to 12. Other times I do internet, email, read… Then lunch and after I like to have a siesta for an hour or though. Then email or read again. At 5:30 Susan and I have a glass of wine then we have diner. I watch movies or stuff in the evening.

I have much pattern than Walter does, because we do meditation together and such things. The glass of wine is when we evaluate the day and what touch us the most emotionally. And most all day we express gratitude because we have both done everything we wanted to do in our lifes, helped a lot of people, being very joyful, very healthy. So we spend a lot of time in gratitude which is very nice when you get older. And I am thrilled because I started 40 elevations network and now I have a free website telling people how to do it, I have a free book Trojan horse of love telling people how to do these networks and so there are 100 of this networks spread all over the World and I can just enjoy them and feeling really good about my life.


  • What will you do when you will grow up?

What we are doing now (chuckle).

We are so happy.

Yeah I may mention that we live in the mountains in Ecuador, we leave the States. We are enjoying life, we don’t work the way we use to. I don’t work physically, the way I use to. I can take a lot more of time off. Sometimes I teach volunteers or chat with them, hang up in my room and read.

I stay in touch with the elevation network I created. They’re making things happened into the World: organics, social investing, local living economies, micro enterprise in Nigeria, Women’s economic empowerment. So these networks are thriving all around the World. I have very close friends in all of them, so I stay in touch with that and it makes me feel joyful.


  • Why did you chose to live a more respectful life for the World?

I have an experience as I was very challenging when I was young, 21, and I had to choose what my intuitions told me to do or what everyone in my life, that I loved, told me what is the right thing to do. And it was excruciating because I love everybody. And I finally decided three months later that I had to do what my intuition told me. I couldn’t live with myself if I haven’t do that and so it was very ranching. I moved to different place, I had to start again with my life and it was the best thing I have ever done in my life because I could ever trust my intuition from then on. I did the right thing, whatever that was. It’s to have a life of very great joy.

For me, I think it started when I was 18-19. I decided to get into farming and I worked on conventional farm first. I realised we were fighting against nature rather than with her. Also there was a very important book called Silent Spring by Rachelle Carson, that explained the down force of conventional farming and all that stuff. I think we start thinking about it 50 years ago. We start to receive satellite photos of the Earth and it makes us realise how beautiful our planet is. So I research biodynamic farming and I did that my whole life.

Susan and Walter


  • What do you like about Ecuador?

Right here we are in the mountains. It’s eternal spring. We have lots of really good friends, both Ecuadorian and foreigners. It’s very affordable, like we can really pursuit a dream and it’s not expensive. There is not so much rules and regulations. So it’s a nice place to be.

For me it’s special because Ecuador is completely indigenous when the Spanish invaded and it’s still strongly indigenous. The indigene had a great deal to do with making the constitution of Ecuador which is mostly the only one in the planet. So foreigners have been floating in for the same reasons as we came. Indigenous have been here for ever in Ecuador and the Ecuadoreans, originally from Spain, have adapted a lot of the indigenous believes and ways.  It’s like a model to the World where we can all live in peace, health and prosperity. So we’re very happy to be part of that.


  • What is your favorite food/meal?

A good curry for me.

Hot butter popcorn (laugh. Susan made us a bunch of popcorn two days before!).


  • What is your passion?

My husband.

My passion would be taking care of the land in the right way. So farming in biodynamic.


  • If you have the occasion to realise a dream, what will it be?

We are sort of manifesting it now (laugh).

Yeah because I’m bringing members of my elevation networks down here, in June. 15 of the top people from 15 of different elevation networks. From money to solar to organics to local economies and every religion and it’s going to be very powerful because they are all open and they will find how much they can help each other’s. Because the principles of elevation networks are all the same. So they can be tremendously helping to each other and very inspired by the Kogui.


  • What does a school day look like? (schedules, uniforms, habits, etc.)

It starts actually very early because they only go to school for half a day as lot of them work or help the family. So they start 7:30 or so and they get out at noon and they have lot of different grades. They have school uniform, so there is no distinction. That’s important. They have a lot of sports and they are wonderful kids and they are raised in very loving homes. So they are wonderful, just wonderful.

Lot of them don’t have social media. It’s just starting now but sometimes they don’t have TV or Internet. It makes a big difference.

In Tumianuma (closest village), they did have internet recently and the parents are horrified because the kids used to stand with the parents all day long. Now the kids are glued to their IPhone or their Internet so they don’t have the value of the family anymore. The adults are like: “What is this about!?!


  • Which advice would you like to share with 3 to 11 y/o children?

Listen to your body because your body never lies. People will tell you all kinds of thing you put in your mind but your body never lies. So listen to it. If it says don’t go there, don’t go. If your heart says: “wow what’s that? Let’s have a look”. Follow him because your heart is the head of your body. They teach you in school to trust your mind. No, trust your heart. Please remember what I’m saying.

I agree with that. Yeah put your heart and soul in everything you do. Try not to get stuck in the system too much.


  • Tell us a joke please!

You go first on that I need time.

Well I think it’s a joke when I drove into the river the other day and stuck my car in.

Yeah he was pride of that. You don’t cross the river in the middle of the rainy season. No you don’t do that.

Indeed Walter wanted to cross the river with his 4WD few weeks ago and got stuck, the car starting to slide because of the current. Lucky for him some people help him to stop the car from sliding and to get out of the river. Even at 68 there is time for fun!   

Walter and Goldie

It was the interview of  Susan and Walter in Vilcabamba in Ecuador.

Susan and Walter

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